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The Ten Most Expensive Places To Buy A Car
Some
of you think Americans have it bad when it comes to buying a car. With
low car prices, cheap gas and a great road network, I say you're one of
the lucky ones. Don't believe me? Just check out how much it costs to
buy a Prius or FR-S in one of these countries.
10.) Cuba
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: LOL!
Technically,
you can buy or sell cars in Cuba since the market was "liberated" in
2011, but with prices sky high and low incomes all around, business is
slow.
Masterofgoingfaster is a local:
A 70s lada is about 12K USD in Cuba, it's quite interesting to
see how values change depending on what you can get out of the car and
when reliability is so important. I know this because I was born there
and went this summer for about 10 days to visit the fam.
Suggested By: Spiegel, Jalopnik's Pariah., Photo Credit: kooklanekookla
9.) North Korea
Expand
Kim Jong-un must really like you to get a car, and you better keep it that way, because it's not only your ride that's always on the edge.
bobrayner explains:
North Korea! If you're really, really lucky and reach a good position
in the party hierarchy you might be able to get something like this:
Expand
That's not a real Merc. It's the glorious Pyongyang 4.10, from a
factory that used to make GAZ-51 clones (a prewar Soviet light truck).
They might share the same engine, so there may well be some running on
the same wood-gas conversion that's popular in North Korean trucks
because supplies of conventional fuel are patchy. Build quality is
abysmal, but it's better than trying to buy some old imported Volga
since nobody's been able to import spare parts in the last twenty years.
Most people can't actually buy a car. And the car market is pretty
much subject to government whims - good luck with fuel rationing and
travel permits. One day Kim Jong-Il got so irritated by having to wait
behind a Japanese car (in what must be the only traffic congestion ever
experienced in the gloriously smooth-running republic) that he ordered all Japanese cars confiscated.
I want a Pyongyang 4.10 2.5 Evo 2, now!
8.) St. Kitts and Nevis
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: None for sale at the moment, but a 2012 Prius costs $171,405.3
These
islands in the Caribbean look like a driving paradise, I know. But don't
get fooled by that, prices are just insane due to import taxes. No
matter, Vee Langs managed to find the perfect car for the place:
St. Kitts is a tiny little island, I do business there on occasion so
I'll frequent from time to time. But I went to the toyota dealer to get
a new headlight for my car and I saw that (this was in late 2012) so
there's always that no?
Oh and speaking of which, because new cars are so expensive, used
cars are the rage! Hence I own this super cool 1990 Toyota Sprinter
Cielo (Corolla Sport in Europe and Geo Prism GSi in the States) it's a
RHD, 5-speed hatchback with a glorious 4A-GZE (supercharged) and
AWD...perfect island car.
I drive it maybe once or twice a year at this point, but it's still nice to know it's there.
Sounds like fun!
Suggested By: Vee Langs (vdiddy210), Photo Credit: CJ Sugg
7.) United Kingdom
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $39,0314
Am
I crazy? The UK, where second hand cars are cheap, and there's a wide
variety of awesomeness to choose from? No, I'm not. Used are cheap
because they are right hand drive and can't be sold (or used) anywhere
else in Europe. Not so for new cars... And when it comes to the
insurance, your smile is gone for good. Just listen to eNZo288:56
I'm currently struggling to buy a second hand car in the UK. The cars
themselves are dirt cheap, but the insurance for a 28 year old male who
has only been in the country for 2 years is just terrifyingly
expensive. To insure an elderly 2.0 156 (if I don't lie to the insurance
company) was going to cost me between £4,500 and £9,000! The car would
only be worth £1000.
What would be their offer for my Autobianchi? By the way, in Europe, car ownership in Portugal is not a walk in the park either.
6.) Brazil
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: It's not on sale, but a Prius is $36,559.7
DConsorti throws in some facts:
Obvious answer is obvious: BRAZIL
1- Tax fees over 100% in some cases;
2- a poor selection of cars (it's getting better, I must admit)
3- Overtaxed and overpriced gas
4- burocracy
5- many others.
Just an example:
Corolla 2014 in US - $16k starting price- considered a compact.
Corolla 2014 in Brazil: 25K starting price - consider a luxury car.
Suggested By: DConsorti, Photo Credit: Gustavo Minas
5.) China
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $43,919
Having cars is something relatively new for China, and here's a true story in connection with that:
When
carmakers organize the first drive events for the press, they leave the
Chinese group for last, because they will smash the cars anyway. It's a
given.8
Bullitt417 adds some details:
China. If it is not a knock-off it is ridiculously expensive. Combine
that with terrible traffic and tons of smog and it just seems like an
awful place to be an enthusiast. The only good thing is there are plenty
of special China only editions available, but only if you can afford
them— You can't.
Suggested By: Bullitt417 can comment again!, Photo Credit: megoizzy
4.) Nicaragua
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: It's on sale, but they keep it a secret, so it must be a lot.
Buying cars in Nicaragua is almost like buying them in Costa Rica according to Stigicide:
Nicaragua (or any other place in Latin America for that matter) is
the worst place to be a car buyer. The prices are outrageous, even for
cars that are genuinely terrible.
Expect to pay the equivalent of thousands of dollars for a 20+ year
old beater. If you can even afford a car, which most people there can't.
If you do own one, expect it to A.) Break down constantly and B.) Get
stolen almost immediately. Forget buying a new car because there aren't
any. Even if there were the import tariffs are so high you can't,
because you're broke.
Suggested By: Stigicide, Photo Credit: craigCloutier
3.) Indonesia
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $59,666
Aya, with added craziness points out the Indonesian car prices come with some added craziness too:
Want that normal prius?
That's 60k Sir.
Okay. What about the Toyobaru twins?
65k.
Mmm
I want something American. Crysler 300C?
110k.
Nah. I want to be an Asshats with M3. How much?
175k.
What about something Italian, like 458?
700k.
Hmm
It's a bit too much. How about base model RR Ghost?
1 Million USD.
Google it if you don't believe me.
I believe you.
Suggested By: Aya, with added craziness., Photo Credit: basibanget
2.) Malaysia
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $73,529
These Asian countries seem to have a problem understanding what a luxury car is. SatriaFanboy put Malaysia on this list:
I would like to nominate Malaysia. Where in Malaysia, the Toyobaru
twins cost around $75,000 new while Mercedes SLS AMG cost around
$600,000 brand new . This is where a beige mobile such as the Accord and
Camry are consider as a luxury car. Plus, Many Malaysian spec car lacks
in many safety features but still sold at a higher price. Due to high
excise tax and Protection policy for our Local car maker Proton, Many
people here only can dream owning a BRZ or a Miata.
But there's worse...
Suggested By: SatriaFanboy, Photo Credit: phalinn
1.) Singapore
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $135,421, plus hell knows.
Singapore
is trying to get rid of congestion by making it almost impossible to own
a car. As you can see from the picture, it doesn't work.
Andrés Salinas sent us a great video that explains what's going on:
All my best to the Singaporean car fans out there!
Suggested By: Andrés Salinas, Photo Credit: Shaun Garrity
Welcome
back to Answers of the Day - our daily Jalopnik feature where we take
the best ten responses from the previous day's Question of the Day and
shine it up to show off. It's by you and for you, the Jalopnik readers.
Enjoy!
Top Photo Credit: Jalopnik
Author is participating
Am
I crazy? The UK, where second hand cars are cheap, and there's a wide
variety of awesomeness to choose from? No, I'm not. Used are cheap
because they are right hand drive and can't be sold (or used) anywhere
else in Europe. Not so for new cars... And when it comes to the
insurance, your smile is gone for good. Just listen to eNZo288:
Woah
there. UK insurance depends hugely on length of time driven, age, how
many points on your licence, what the car's like and, crucially, where
you live. My insurance (I'm 42 with 3 points on my licence for
speeding, and I live in the countryside 50 miles outside London (1/2
mile from Kate Middleton's parents)):
Audi S4 Avant B6 (4.2 V8) - £250 a year ($391)
Porsche 924S - £150 a year (it's on classic insurance) ($233)
Triumph Street Triple - £150 a year ($233)
New cars are stupidly expensive though. Most people buy them on finance deals with low interest 9/05/13 11:29am
What's the car like is the biggest problem. No relation to value whatsoever. 9/05/13 11:31am
True
but after a couple of years with a low insurance car and keeping a
clean licence you'll see insurance come down. My daughter is 21 and her
first year's insurance was £1500 on a Vauxhall Corsa 1 litre with a
mighty 55bhp. Now, 3 years later it's £500 for a Golf 1.6 9/05/13 11:34am
Name dropper. 9/05/13 11:47am
Yeah,
I know people with quite reasonable insurance prices, I was just
sharing my tale of misery and woe! It does seem like they have some
pretty arbitrary rules. I'm also irritated they won't accept my kiwi
NCB. I just want an old Alfa, is that too much to ask? 9/05/13 11:53am
Friend
of my wife's and her husband lived near Abby Road and was a Surgeon at
the hospital. Owning a car was so bad, they could only afford a beater
10yo vehicle.
They since moved to the west coast of Canada and live like kings. 9/05/13 12:05pm
Máté Petrány
Seriously though Ireland has a mega markup compared to the UK we dont
have Scion but a brand new base GT86, ex works is $54K here... 9/05/13 12:05pm
I'm
currently in the same boat as yourself. I'm currently looking at Audi
A5's (either 2L TDI or 3L TDI). I'm from Ireland, living in the UK so I
don't have NCB they will accept which means insurance quotes averaging
about £1000. For some reason the engine size hasn't made a huge
difference in the quotes I've been getting. I'm 36, no penalty points
BTW. 9/05/13 12:07pm
But good whiskey too! 9/05/13 12:07pm
People
moving to the UK from abroad are treated poorly by the system. A friend
who lived in Italy for 10 years pays more than my 21 year old daughter!
You want an old Alfa? They should pay you to drive it! 9/05/13 12:10pm
That's London. London hates cars so they price everything to do with cars accordingly 9/05/13 12:11pm
Yeah I know - sad! They live in a £5million mansion and I live in a cottage though
http://thesteepletimes.com/opulence-splen... 9/05/13 12:15pm
A friend in Ireland said he can't buy a nice car because the annual tax is so high 9/05/13 12:17pm
Yeah,
if you take out my foreignness (although I hold a UK passport and
drivers licence) I should get a great rate. Clean licence, 5 years plus
NCB and have been driving for 13 years (you could get a licence at 15 in
NZ when I started). I DO live in Harringay, though... 9/05/13 12:36pm
You have an AWESOME collection of cars btw 9/05/13 12:36pm
Haha, try living in Blackburn. They want £11k off me for a '99 1.0 Micra. 9/05/13 2:43pm
Jesus wept. Mate in Oldham has similar issues 9/05/13 2:50pm
Yep.
I think the Government should offer a no-frills for drivers at a base
rate, to knock all the private companies down and cap the market. But
it's okay, you focus on other, irrelevant, things Cameron. Haha.
I can imagine how bad it'd be in Oldham, my mate's dad lives there
and he was looking at insuring to his dads because it doesn't have the
BB postcode, but it was only marginally cheaper. I think I'm gonna
insure to my aunts, cause it's an LA1 postcode. Which, believe it or
not, seems to be a lot cheaper. 9/05/13 2:58pm
This
is one reason I'm probably stuck in America for the rest of. You don't
appreciate the correctness of the phrase "rip-off Britain" until you've
lived elsewhere (that's probably not Singapore or Malaysia) for a number
of years (or decades in my case). Why Brits continue to put up with and
don't emigrate en masse is currently beyond my powers of comprehension.
Britain is OK but it's not that great. Plus you have to drive
on the wrong side of the road! After 20-odd years of driving on the
right side, it definitely seems that the left side is definitely the
wrong side now. Still, I do try to move back there fairly regularly
until it dawns on me yet again that I could retire on what I have to pay
for a small terraced house in an unfashionable part of town whereupon I
return to my American pile and my stable of fine German automobiles
(steering wheel in correct location!) to think about it some more... 9/05/13 4:13pm
Whoops, looks like I was definitely definitely trying to make a point there... 9/05/13 4:16pm
Agree
with Speedmonkey, Insurance is very age and class dependent. With a bit
of experience its much cheaper than BC, Canada for example.
In 2004, my last year in the UK, with 8yrs no claims my fully comp insurance for a SEAT Leon TDI was 400GBP a year.
Move fwd 9 years, my Insurance, still with all those no claims for a
BMW 330i is $2000 CAD. If I traded it down to a Fiat 500 Sport, it would
be a couple hundred cheaper.
Its also difficult to compare these because some car prices (like UK) are inclusive of Tax, some (like US/Canada) are not.
I'm surprised Denmark isn't on there. Denmark has huge tax so a Toyota GT86 is around 79k USD!!!! 9/05/13 6:42pm
Forgot
about Denmark. At Le Mans 2011 we camped next to a Dane who had a
Cayman. He said the 'luxury tax' alone amounted to €40,000, on top of
local taxes and the actual price of the car 9/05/13 7:46pm
And we also have a hilarious police force too http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/garda-communit... 9/06/13 12:20pm
Where
I'm from in the US, for whatever reason, a car with two doors is always
considered a sports car, so it's insured accordingly. Imagine being
forced to buy the same sort of insurance for your two door Chevrolet
compact as you would for a Porsche. It's dumb. 9/07/13 12:16pm
Author is participatingGaya individu yang matang mengulas. Pentingnya tidak terkeluar tajuk.
The Ten Most Expensive Places To Buy A Car
Some
of you think Americans have it bad when it comes to buying a car. With
low car prices, cheap gas and a great road network, I say you're one of
the lucky ones. Don't believe me? Just check out how much it costs to
buy a Prius or FR-S in one of these countries.
10.) Cuba
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: LOL!
Technically,
you can buy or sell cars in Cuba since the market was "liberated" in
2011, but with prices sky high and low incomes all around, business is
slow.
Masterofgoingfaster is a local:
A 70s lada is about 12K USD in Cuba, it's quite interesting to see how values change depending on what you can get out of the car and when reliability is so important. I know this because I was born there and went this summer for about 10 days to visit the fam.
Suggested By: Spiegel, Jalopnik's Pariah., Photo Credit: kooklanekookla
9.) North Korea
Expand
Kim Jong-un must really like you to get a car, and you better keep it that way, because it's not only your ride that's always on the edge.
bobrayner explains:
North Korea! If you're really, really lucky and reach a good position in the party hierarchy you might be able to get something like this:
Expand
That's not a real Merc. It's the glorious Pyongyang 4.10, from a factory that used to make GAZ-51 clones (a prewar Soviet light truck). They might share the same engine, so there may well be some running on the same wood-gas conversion that's popular in North Korean trucks because supplies of conventional fuel are patchy. Build quality is abysmal, but it's better than trying to buy some old imported Volga since nobody's been able to import spare parts in the last twenty years.
Most people can't actually buy a car. And the car market is pretty much subject to government whims - good luck with fuel rationing and travel permits. One day Kim Jong-Il got so irritated by having to wait behind a Japanese car (in what must be the only traffic congestion ever experienced in the gloriously smooth-running republic) that he ordered all Japanese cars confiscated.
I want a Pyongyang 4.10 2.5 Evo 2, now!
8.) St. Kitts and Nevis
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: None for sale at the moment, but a 2012 Prius costs $171,405.3
These
islands in the Caribbean look like a driving paradise, I know. But don't
get fooled by that, prices are just insane due to import taxes. No
matter, Vee Langs managed to find the perfect car for the place:
St. Kitts is a tiny little island, I do business there on occasion so I'll frequent from time to time. But I went to the toyota dealer to get a new headlight for my car and I saw that (this was in late 2012) so there's always that no?
Oh and speaking of which, because new cars are so expensive, used cars are the rage! Hence I own this super cool 1990 Toyota Sprinter Cielo (Corolla Sport in Europe and Geo Prism GSi in the States) it's a RHD, 5-speed hatchback with a glorious 4A-GZE (supercharged) and AWD...perfect island car.
I drive it maybe once or twice a year at this point, but it's still nice to know it's there.
Sounds like fun!
Suggested By: Vee Langs (vdiddy210), Photo Credit: CJ Sugg
7.) United Kingdom
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $39,0314
Am
I crazy? The UK, where second hand cars are cheap, and there's a wide
variety of awesomeness to choose from? No, I'm not. Used are cheap
because they are right hand drive and can't be sold (or used) anywhere
else in Europe. Not so for new cars... And when it comes to the
insurance, your smile is gone for good. Just listen to eNZo288:56
I'm currently struggling to buy a second hand car in the UK. The cars themselves are dirt cheap, but the insurance for a 28 year old male who has only been in the country for 2 years is just terrifyingly expensive. To insure an elderly 2.0 156 (if I don't lie to the insurance company) was going to cost me between £4,500 and £9,000! The car would only be worth £1000.
What would be their offer for my Autobianchi? By the way, in Europe, car ownership in Portugal is not a walk in the park either.
6.) Brazil
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: It's not on sale, but a Prius is $36,559.7
DConsorti throws in some facts:
Obvious answer is obvious: BRAZIL
1- Tax fees over 100% in some cases;
2- a poor selection of cars (it's getting better, I must admit)
3- Overtaxed and overpriced gas
4- burocracy
5- many others.
Just an example:
Corolla 2014 in US - $16k starting price- considered a compact.
Corolla 2014 in Brazil: 25K starting price - consider a luxury car.
Suggested By: DConsorti, Photo Credit: Gustavo Minas
5.) China
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $43,919
Having cars is something relatively new for China, and here's a true story in connection with that:
When
carmakers organize the first drive events for the press, they leave the
Chinese group for last, because they will smash the cars anyway. It's a
given.8
Bullitt417 adds some details:
China. If it is not a knock-off it is ridiculously expensive. Combine that with terrible traffic and tons of smog and it just seems like an awful place to be an enthusiast. The only good thing is there are plenty of special China only editions available, but only if you can afford them— You can't.
Suggested By: Bullitt417 can comment again!, Photo Credit: megoizzy
4.) Nicaragua
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: It's on sale, but they keep it a secret, so it must be a lot.
Buying cars in Nicaragua is almost like buying them in Costa Rica according to Stigicide:
Nicaragua (or any other place in Latin America for that matter) is the worst place to be a car buyer. The prices are outrageous, even for cars that are genuinely terrible.
Expect to pay the equivalent of thousands of dollars for a 20+ year old beater. If you can even afford a car, which most people there can't. If you do own one, expect it to A.) Break down constantly and B.) Get stolen almost immediately. Forget buying a new car because there aren't any. Even if there were the import tariffs are so high you can't, because you're broke.
Suggested By: Stigicide, Photo Credit: craigCloutier
3.) Indonesia
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $59,666
Aya, with added craziness points out the Indonesian car prices come with some added craziness too:
Want that normal prius?
That's 60k Sir.
Okay. What about the Toyobaru twins?
65k.
Mmm
I want something American. Crysler 300C?
110k.
Nah. I want to be an Asshats with M3. How much?
175k.
What about something Italian, like 458?
700k.
Hmm
It's a bit too much. How about base model RR Ghost?
1 Million USD.
Google it if you don't believe me.
I believe you.
Suggested By: Aya, with added craziness., Photo Credit: basibanget
2.) Malaysia
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $73,529
These Asian countries seem to have a problem understanding what a luxury car is. SatriaFanboy put Malaysia on this list:
I would like to nominate Malaysia. Where in Malaysia, the Toyobaru twins cost around $75,000 new while Mercedes SLS AMG cost around $600,000 brand new . This is where a beige mobile such as the Accord and Camry are consider as a luxury car. Plus, Many Malaysian spec car lacks in many safety features but still sold at a higher price. Due to high excise tax and Protection policy for our Local car maker Proton, Many people here only can dream owning a BRZ or a Miata.
But there's worse...
Suggested By: SatriaFanboy, Photo Credit: phalinn
1.) Singapore
Expand
Price of a new Scion FR-S: $135,421, plus hell knows.
Singapore
is trying to get rid of congestion by making it almost impossible to own
a car. As you can see from the picture, it doesn't work.
Andrés Salinas sent us a great video that explains what's going on:
All my best to the Singaporean car fans out there!
Suggested By: Andrés Salinas, Photo Credit: Shaun Garrity
Welcome
back to Answers of the Day - our daily Jalopnik feature where we take
the best ten responses from the previous day's Question of the Day and
shine it up to show off. It's by you and for you, the Jalopnik readers.
Enjoy!
Top Photo Credit: Jalopnik
Author is participating
Am I crazy? The UK, where second hand cars are cheap, and there's a wide variety of awesomeness to choose from? No, I'm not. Used are cheap because they are right hand drive and can't be sold (or used) anywhere else in Europe. Not so for new cars... And when it comes to the insurance, your smile is gone for good. Just listen to eNZo288:
Woah
there. UK insurance depends hugely on length of time driven, age, how
many points on your licence, what the car's like and, crucially, where
you live. My insurance (I'm 42 with 3 points on my licence for
speeding, and I live in the countryside 50 miles outside London (1/2
mile from Kate Middleton's parents)):
Audi S4 Avant B6 (4.2 V8) - £250 a year ($391)Porsche 924S - £150 a year (it's on classic insurance) ($233)
Triumph Street Triple - £150 a year ($233)
New cars are stupidly expensive though. Most people buy them on finance deals with low interest 9/05/13 11:29am
What's the car like is the biggest problem. No relation to value whatsoever. 9/05/13 11:31am
True
but after a couple of years with a low insurance car and keeping a
clean licence you'll see insurance come down. My daughter is 21 and her
first year's insurance was £1500 on a Vauxhall Corsa 1 litre with a
mighty 55bhp. Now, 3 years later it's £500 for a Golf 1.6 9/05/13 11:34am
Name dropper. 9/05/13 11:47am
Yeah,
I know people with quite reasonable insurance prices, I was just
sharing my tale of misery and woe! It does seem like they have some
pretty arbitrary rules. I'm also irritated they won't accept my kiwi
NCB. I just want an old Alfa, is that too much to ask? 9/05/13 11:53am
Friend
of my wife's and her husband lived near Abby Road and was a Surgeon at
the hospital. Owning a car was so bad, they could only afford a beater
10yo vehicle.
They since moved to the west coast of Canada and live like kings. 9/05/13 12:05pm
Máté Petrány
Seriously though Ireland has a mega markup compared to the UK we dont
have Scion but a brand new base GT86, ex works is $54K here... 9/05/13 12:05pm
I'm
currently in the same boat as yourself. I'm currently looking at Audi
A5's (either 2L TDI or 3L TDI). I'm from Ireland, living in the UK so I
don't have NCB they will accept which means insurance quotes averaging
about £1000. For some reason the engine size hasn't made a huge
difference in the quotes I've been getting. I'm 36, no penalty points
BTW. 9/05/13 12:07pm
But good whiskey too! 9/05/13 12:07pm
People
moving to the UK from abroad are treated poorly by the system. A friend
who lived in Italy for 10 years pays more than my 21 year old daughter!
You want an old Alfa? They should pay you to drive it! 9/05/13 12:10pm
That's London. London hates cars so they price everything to do with cars accordingly 9/05/13 12:11pm
Yeah I know - sad! They live in a £5million mansion and I live in a cottage though
http://thesteepletimes.com/opulence-splen... 9/05/13 12:15pm
A friend in Ireland said he can't buy a nice car because the annual tax is so high 9/05/13 12:17pm
Yeah,
if you take out my foreignness (although I hold a UK passport and
drivers licence) I should get a great rate. Clean licence, 5 years plus
NCB and have been driving for 13 years (you could get a licence at 15 in
NZ when I started). I DO live in Harringay, though... 9/05/13 12:36pm
You have an AWESOME collection of cars btw 9/05/13 12:36pm
Haha, try living in Blackburn. They want £11k off me for a '99 1.0 Micra. 9/05/13 2:43pm
Jesus wept. Mate in Oldham has similar issues 9/05/13 2:50pm
Yep.
I think the Government should offer a no-frills for drivers at a base
rate, to knock all the private companies down and cap the market. But
it's okay, you focus on other, irrelevant, things Cameron. Haha.
I can imagine how bad it'd be in Oldham, my mate's dad lives there
and he was looking at insuring to his dads because it doesn't have the
BB postcode, but it was only marginally cheaper. I think I'm gonna
insure to my aunts, cause it's an LA1 postcode. Which, believe it or
not, seems to be a lot cheaper. 9/05/13 2:58pm
This
is one reason I'm probably stuck in America for the rest of. You don't
appreciate the correctness of the phrase "rip-off Britain" until you've
lived elsewhere (that's probably not Singapore or Malaysia) for a number
of years (or decades in my case). Why Brits continue to put up with and
don't emigrate en masse is currently beyond my powers of comprehension.
Britain is OK but it's not that great. Plus you have to drive
on the wrong side of the road! After 20-odd years of driving on the
right side, it definitely seems that the left side is definitely the
wrong side now. Still, I do try to move back there fairly regularly
until it dawns on me yet again that I could retire on what I have to pay
for a small terraced house in an unfashionable part of town whereupon I
return to my American pile and my stable of fine German automobiles
(steering wheel in correct location!) to think about it some more... 9/05/13 4:13pm
Whoops, looks like I was definitely definitely trying to make a point there... 9/05/13 4:16pm
Agree
with Speedmonkey, Insurance is very age and class dependent. With a bit
of experience its much cheaper than BC, Canada for example.
In 2004, my last year in the UK, with 8yrs no claims my fully comp insurance for a SEAT Leon TDI was 400GBP a year.Move fwd 9 years, my Insurance, still with all those no claims for a BMW 330i is $2000 CAD. If I traded it down to a Fiat 500 Sport, it would be a couple hundred cheaper.
Its also difficult to compare these because some car prices (like UK) are inclusive of Tax, some (like US/Canada) are not.
I'm surprised Denmark isn't on there. Denmark has huge tax so a Toyota GT86 is around 79k USD!!!! 9/05/13 6:42pm
Forgot
about Denmark. At Le Mans 2011 we camped next to a Dane who had a
Cayman. He said the 'luxury tax' alone amounted to €40,000, on top of
local taxes and the actual price of the car 9/05/13 7:46pm
And we also have a hilarious police force too http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/garda-communit... 9/06/13 12:20pm
Where
I'm from in the US, for whatever reason, a car with two doors is always
considered a sports car, so it's insured accordingly. Imagine being
forced to buy the same sort of insurance for your two door Chevrolet
compact as you would for a Porsche. It's dumb. 9/07/13 12:16pm
Norway is missing. 9/05/13 11:21am
Norway is super rich. 9/05/13 11:25am
Norway is missing? That is major news. 9/05/13 11:27am
But not really.
Just because someone else thinks that they are expensive there, it doesn't mean that a Norwegian would think so. Everything is expensive here.
But then again, 10% of the Stavanger population (The 4th largest city
in Norway) makes over 1 million NOK per year, or over $165 000 per
year. That is one in ten people, making that amount of money. 9/05/13 11:35amJust because someone else thinks that they are expensive there, it doesn't mean that a Norwegian would think so. Everything is expensive here.
I live in proximity to Stavanger myself. It is expensive. I don't make one million a year. 9/05/13 11:37am
Ok
Norway has really high taxes on cars. But Electric Cars don't have
those taxes on them. So Nissan is taking all the American market LEAFs
that are coming off lease. Cleaning them up and sending them to Norway.
Where they can sell them for $40,000 used and people will still line up
to buy them because that's cheap. Tesla in Norway has a waiting list
that stretches all the way to Iceland. 9/05/13 11:37am
I'm
well aware of that. However an electric car will for most people be a
car no. 2 as it can not cover every transportation need. 9/05/13 11:39am
Said he was going out drinking last night, never returned. 9/05/13 12:03pm
In
Norway a BRZ is $76k. We have taxes based on emissions, weight and
horsepower. Cars that have a lot of all three are ridiculously
overpriced. A new Escalade is over $300k. 9/05/13 12:31pm
Damnit, why couldn't florida go missing...
(I say that as someone who lives there...) 9/05/13 12:48pm
Yes. It is expensive to get a car no matter where in the world you live.
It is supposed to be.
But it isn't that much more expensive in norway compared to other places, considering that everything is expensive. 9/05/13 2:28pmIt is supposed to be.
Tesla everywhere has a waiting list... because they don't deliver. XD I keed, I keed 9/05/13 2:39pm
Sure
but look at the price disparity between pay and car prices. In USA, the
BRZ is about 25000 and a person making minimum wage full time makes
about ($16,600 gross minus about 5% taxes) so $15,700 yearly. Norway
(has no minimum wage) pays entry level full time positions about $42,000
annually (minus about 15% tax) so $35,700. A new BRZ over there is
about $75,000.
So USA a BRZ costs about 1 year 7 months pay.Norway a BRZ costs about 2 years 1 month pay.
Wages are way up, but so are taxes on lower wage earners and cost of living with some basic things like delivered meals costing a much higher increase in cost versus the comparatively lower rise in wages. 9/05/13 2:54pm
Tesla
is running their only factory at like 1/3rd 1/4th capacity. It saves
them operational costs and keeps the factory running until the Model X
and the low cost car come into production. 9/05/13 3:55pm
If the UK and Singapore can be on this list that's
not a good enough basis for Norway to be excluded. Those are hardly 3rd
world countries. The GT-86 still doubles its price by the time it gets
through Norwegian bureaucracy, placing it on a 3rd, or perhaps even
shared 2nd. 9/05/13 4:40pm
And
might i also add that the toyobaru/subieyota is one of the most
exciting cars to actually be sold in norway, last time we had a car this
exciting was probably the mr2, maybe the miata(im not even shure if we
got the miata). 9/05/13 6:57pm
Of course we got the MX5, see them every week. 9/06/13 1:35am
Obvious answer is obvious: BRAZIL
1- Tax fees over 100% in some cases;
2- a poor selection of cars (it's getting better, I must admit)
3- Overtaxed and overpriced gas
4- burocracy
5- many others.
Just an example:
Corolla 2014 in US - $16k starting price- considered a compact.
Corolla 2014 in Brazil: 25K starting price - consider a luxury car.
Not to mention the
importation laws as applied to most things in Brazil. It it's not brand
new, and does not look brand new, It could be held in customs for
months. Clearly used products are imported to a furnace. 9/05/13 11:40am
The used cars import law only alow us to import cars 30yrs or older.
And I didn't mentioned the condition of our streets and roads ( these pics may give an idea!)
You guys absolutely forgot Denmark.
Toyota prius - 75000 usdToyota gt86 - 110.000 usd
Bmw m3 2008 - 280.000 usd
Honda accord - 90.000 usd 9/05/13 12:08pm
I
say it ALL the time on here. You guys don't know how good you have it
and yet you moan about things like solid axle Mustangs. Be thankful you
even have it. You moan about the size of Suburbans. Be thankful you even
have them. You could be stuck with a 3cyl diesel Citroen Berlingo as
your max size family vehicle. You moan about big petrol-engined cars
being awful. I read all of this in despair because you've no idea how
bad it could be. You wish for diesels everywhere yet don't realise that
when that happens it's likely that'll be your only choice. Enjoy the V8
Mustangs, big V8 rumbling Silverados and Suburbans while you have them.
Soon they'll be gone and you'll look back on these days with envy. 9/05/13 11:18am
Hear, hear.
I'm always amazed to hear "how terrible" it is to be a car person in the US because we don't get the cool wagons, or turbo hatchbacks, or small diesels... not realizing that this is one of few places where a normal Joe or Flo Schmoe can afford a brand new car with a 300+ hp V8 along with the insurance and fuel to actually drive it, we still have had decently hot hatches (GTI, Swift GT, Focus SVT; now the Focus and Fiesta ST), and we have had at least some small diesels (Liberty, VW TDI). Oh, and we, for the most part, can legally modify our vehicles (even in California). 9/05/13 11:54am
I'm always amazed to hear "how terrible" it is to be a car person in the US because we don't get the cool wagons, or turbo hatchbacks, or small diesels... not realizing that this is one of few places where a normal Joe or Flo Schmoe can afford a brand new car with a 300+ hp V8 along with the insurance and fuel to actually drive it, we still have had decently hot hatches (GTI, Swift GT, Focus SVT; now the Focus and Fiesta ST), and we have had at least some small diesels (Liberty, VW TDI). Oh, and we, for the most part, can legally modify our vehicles (even in California). 9/05/13 11:54am
"..KEHIDUPAN DUNIA HANYALAH Kesenangan YANG MEMPERDAYA" [QS. AL 'IMRAN (3):185].
Firman Allah S.W.T., yang bermaksud: Wahai orang yang beriman! Janganlah kamu mengambil orang yang bukan daripada kalangan kamu (seperti Yahudi, Nasrani, dan Munafiq) menjadi teman karib (yang dipercayai). Mereka tidak akan berhenti berusaha mendatangkan kesusahan kepada kamu. Mereka sukakan apa yang menyusahkan kamu. Telah pun nyata (tanda) kebencian mereka pada pertuturan mulut mereka, dan apa yang tersembunyi oleh hati mereka lebih besar lagi. Sesungguhnya Kami telah jelaskan kepada kamu ayat ayat (Kami), jika kamu memahaminya (memikirkannya).” - [Al Quran Surah Al Imran ayat 118-120] .
Baca Juga:
Firman Allah S.W.T., yang
bermaksud: “Perkataan yang baik dan pemberian maaf, lebih baik dari
sedekah yang diiringi dengan sesuatu yang menyakitkan (perasaan
penerima). Allah Maha Kaya lagi Maha Penyantun.” (Al Baqarah: 263).
Firman Allah S.W.T., yang
bermaksud: “Mereka yang berjuang di jalan Kami nescaya Kami tunjukkan
jalan-jalan Kami. Sesungguhnya Allah berserta orang yang berbuat baik.”
(Al Ankabut: 69).
"Sesungguhnya hanyalah kepada Allah aku mengadukan kesusahan dan kesedihanku." (QS. Yusuf: 86).
Semasa hidup sederhanakanlah kegembiraan. Supaya wujud keseimbangan jiwa dan roh, bila menerima kesedihan yang pasti ditemui juga. Mengingatkan diri sendiri menjadi keutamaaan sebelum mengingatkan orang lain . In Syaa Allah ''palis'' sekali dari sifat-sifat sombong dan keji. Semuanya kerana Allah S.W.T.. Amin Ya Rob. (Peceq Admin).
"Sesungguhnya hanyalah kepada Allah aku mengadukan kesusahan dan kesedihanku." (QS. Yusuf: 86).
Semasa hidup sederhanakanlah kegembiraan. Supaya wujud keseimbangan jiwa dan roh, bila menerima kesedihan yang pasti ditemui juga. Mengingatkan diri sendiri menjadi keutamaaan sebelum mengingatkan orang lain . In Syaa Allah ''palis'' sekali dari sifat-sifat sombong dan keji. Semuanya kerana Allah S.W.T.. Amin Ya Rob. (Peceq Admin).
Perhatian: Pemaparan
tajuk-tajuk, gambar-gambar dan segala bagai, adalah pandangan dan
pendapat peribadi yang lebih menjurus kepada sikap dan sifat untuk
menjadi lebih baik dengan mengamalkan gaya hidup menurut perentah dan
larangan Allah S.W.T., antaranya bersikap dengan tiada prasangka, tidak
bertujuan untuk kebencian, tidak berkeperluan untuk bersubahat dengan
perkara bohong dan tiada kaitan dan berkepentingan dengan mana-mana
individu. Jujur., aku hanyalah hamba Allah S.W.T., yang hina dina.
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